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F I D O N E W S -- Vol.13 No.14 (01-Apr-1996) +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | A newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet BBS community | "FidoNews" BBS | | _ | +1-519-570-4176 | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editors: | | | (*) | \ )) | Donald Tees 1:221/192 | | |__U__| / \// | | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Submission address: editors 1:1/23 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | MORE addresses: | | | | submissions=> editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | | Don -- don@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For information, copyrights, article submissions, | | obtaining copies of fidonews or the internet gateway faq | | please refer to the end of this file. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ======================================================================== Table of Contents ======================================================================== 1. Editorial..................................................... 1 2. Articles...................................................... 2 SHAREWRE Echo Moderator Changes............................. 2 FidoNet on the Internet..................................... 3 Monthly Gateway Info posting (UPDATED!)..................... 5 Backbone Echo Changes [Jan-Feb]............................. 7 That Gateway Thingie?....................................... 9 Yet more suggestions to enhance Fido........................ 12 3. Fidonews Information.......................................... 12 ======================================================================== Editorial ======================================================================== FidoNews 13-14 Page: 2 01 Apr 1996 There seems to have been a problem over the last few weeks with my internet mail. While all has now been fixed, there appears to have been mail lost. Fidonet stuff has been coming in just fine <G>. Anyway, if anybody has sent stuff to here via the internet, and it appears to have been ignored, please send it again. There have been a lot of articles over the last few weeks extolling the virtues of fidonet over the internet. Chief amoung these is that fidonet echoes are better run, and often more mature than the internet echos. I like fidonet, and prefer it to the usenet groups, as a general rule. The echoes are smaller and more personal. I find, with fidonet, that I get to know the people in an echo. It is a much more personal place than the internet. However, that does not mean that fidonet is technically healthy. It does not really aleviate the problem that I brought up in the editorial that started all this. We are working with software that is outdated, and little is being done to replace it. Most of the new communications software is not being written for FTSC compliant messaging. As well, we are losing the advantages offered by the plethora of new common carriers around. We need to start taking advantage of new technology and new software if we want to stay around. That problem exists, whether we like the net or not. ======================================================================== Articles ======================================================================== SHAREWRE Echo Moderator Changes By: Kent Anderson, 1:382/1201 Kand@onr.com Rules changed and Relaxed In August 1995, I effected a non-hostile takeover of the Fidonet echo, SHAREWRE, when I could not contact the former Moderator. The echo was on the verge of losing its backbone status for not filing the required Moderator Update to the Elist. The former Moderator still made no appearance, and the rules were revamped to remove some of the restrictions instigated by that Moderator. A little background here: I was the third Moderator of the echo, and was appointed by Moderator Steve Shapiro when he moved to Boston, Ma. After a couple of years, I burned out, and appointed Lee Jackson, my Co-Moderator. Lee did a commendable job, but at the end of a year, had health problems as well as moving to a new job in a different city. I accepted a temporary assignment for the time it took to organize and complete an election of a new Moderator. Maryjane Choate, of Houston, Tx won the election. Maryjane took over at a very bad time, as the echo was suffering from open warfare among some of its participants, and from many off topic FidoNews 13-14 Page: 3 01 Apr 1996 postings from those seeking advice on cheating at or discussing how to play various games. In an effort to control this traffic, she made some very stringent amendments to rules. Included was a rule to reduce the amount of space to be taken up by an author making announcement of new or upgraded products. This is in no way a reflection upon Maryjane's efforts. She did this during a period of bad health and outside distractions, and, overall, did a commendable job with the echo. Many participants, however, disagreed with her, and traffic in the echo dropped from more than one hundred messages a day to around twenty-five or so. A competing echo was formed to appeal to those who were disgruntled. Shortly after I took back over in August 1995, I did a rewrite of the rules and relaxed most of the more stringent rules on authors' submissions, as well as softening the tone of others. My approach is to handle rules violations as gently as the situation permits, and if I have a problem with someone's submission, to negotiate something acceptable to both sides. My "hardnose" moderating is done by netmail, but I am visible in the echo on the more gentle admonitions. Traffic is growing, but I still miss many of the people who were once regulars in the conference, This is an open invitation to you to come back and take a look. If you like what you see, stick around, and let me know what you think of the new look by netmail or Email. |Fidonet: Kent Anderson 1:382/1201 |Internet: Kent.Anderson@1201.ima.infomail.com | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FidoNet on the Internet With my recent acquirement of an Internet account, I set out for looking for where I could get FidoNet echomail and other services over the Internet. I was amazed at the amount of FidoNet material available on the Internet, but I have yet to find what I want. Call me picky, but listen close. I am long distance from _ALL_ other BBS's. The only local service is my Internet provider. I have in the past gotten all my echomail and filebone materials for _FREE_ (from normal charges) sites, such as some of the echomail stars. This has cost me quite a bit. As such I can't currently maintain a very active connection with FidoNet. When I started searching on the Internet for an echomail and filebone feed, I did _NOT_ expect to pay more for internet service than I do for my long distance to get my currently dwindling FidoNet mail packets. However, that's all I can find. Sure, the services look neat and all, but get real. First of all, this is a hobby, and while a hobby isn't free, I really hate to see people living off a hobby in that sense. I imagine someone looking for a full feed could get by cheap with these services, but I only gain to lose! Not to mention, I wanted to mention a couple other things that these services are doing, that you may not be FidoNews 13-14 Page: 4 01 Apr 1996 aware of. Call this a public service announcement. I won't mention any names, you can use the Internet to figure out who I am talking about... Just don't be suckered into these services until you have exhausted other possibilities. Among echomail, one of these services is also offering a few other items, most specifically for FidoNet SysOps. While most of us do not need these services, a few of you may, but before you think these services are so nifty and fork out more money for them, make sure you aren't already getting them for FREE! One of the services is USENET NEWS. While some consider USENET NEWS to be better than FidoNet, I think that FidoNet is not only ahead of USENET, but far superior to USENET NEWS. However, many boards use USENET news to attract subscribers. I have two comments on this. If you are a user, and a potential subscriber to such a BBS, go get your self an Internet account if possible. If you are a SysOp, and USENET news is expensive, why carry it? Well, this one provider is offering USENET news as a service. The only service they are actually providing is the conversion to FTN compatible format and back. USENET NEWS servers are often included in your Internet Account, and you just have to know how to make it useful for you. Look around. There is a lot of software out there to do this for your through your service providers USENET NEWS server. Of course it might not be cheap, but its cost is likely to be far less that what you might pay for a couple years feed of USENET NEWS already converted to FTN formats... The same provider is offering another service. Again, this service is both ridiculous to me, and available else where for nothing. The service is weather maps. Enough weather maps to fill a gig hard drive in a few days! That's one reason I think weather maps are crazy to be posting for your callers. You couldn't keep them up to date with the way the service works. I however suggest going to text based weather forecasts and current conditions route, which is generally free if you can find cheap software to do this. The service exists all over the Internet, so even if there is not a lot of software out there, there may be other alternatives. However, if you really feel weather maps are what you want, then try finding them for FREE! The provider providing the service to FidoNet SysOps more than likely receives their copy for FREE! I know I have ran across quite a few sites on the Internet offering free maps. With this all aside, I have decided I want a chance to take part in some of this. So, I am asking, if any one is interested in an alternative transport method over the Internet for FidoNet echomail and filebone materials? I am planning of offering a SMALL feed of mail and files from my Windows 95 BBS setup. The service will require, for the most part, Windows 95, and a little manual time on your part. If your interested, give me an email and I'll let you know what I have come up with. While I am on the subject... I want to attempt something else that is rare, or at least I haven't found much of it(feel free to email me with some details!) I want to test the limits of B.R.E. and F.E. over the Internet. Any interested party who would like to join my 391 leagues, FidoNews 13-14 Page: 5 01 Apr 1996 please write me. Currently, Windows 95 SysOps will have the easiest access to these leagues, but email access is possible, and so might be a couple other methods. I will try to accommodate any method of Internet game data distribution that is both reliable and economical... -|- Carl Morris (N0YUV) -|- 1:285/302 -|- msftrncs@htcnet.com -|- -|- Hooper Connections BBS -|- 1(402)654-2102 -|- 28.8kbps V.34 -|- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Monthly Gateway Info posting (UPDATED!) Wes Mills (1:124/2342) FidoNet<->Internet Gateway at 1:124/2342.999 and alt.bighub.org ---------------------------------------------------------------- Welcome to the Fidonet-Internet gateway run by Wes Mills! I offer FidoNet and Internet members the opportunity to transfer mail between these two networks. Seeing as how the current default gateway is going down, and over 90% of FidoNet will be without Internet e-mail service, we feel that it is time for someone new to step in to take over this service. Table of Contents: 1) Rules of the gateway 2) How to use the gateway 3) Top 10 ways to get banned 4) Contact information 5) Ways to bypass these rules 6) SPECIAL INFORMATION ABOUT THIS GATEWAY --------------- 1) Rules of the gateway By learning from the mistakes and mishaps of the former default gateway, we have put in this set of rules: 1) DO NOT, FOR ANY REASON, AT ANY TIME ATTEMPT TO BYPASS THE BANNED ADDRESSES ON THIS GATEWAY. 2) Subscribing to any mailing lists is prohibited. 3) Exchanging of files is prohibited. * 4) No mail is private. 5) Mail to *.z1.fidonet.org will be banned. 6) Please report any problems you experience. * This should be taken as: I have no control over who reads your mail before it gets to my system and after it leaves. You may use PGP or any other encryption all you like. 2) How to use the gateway You may address e-mail from the Internet in two different ways: FidoNews 13-14 Page: 6 01 Apr 1996 STANDARD: <name>%p##.f####.n###.z#@alt.bighub.org FEWER KEYS METHOD: <name>%z-nnn-ffff-p@alt.bighub.org Examples: STANDARD: wes.mills%p4.f2342.n124.z1@alt.bighub.org FEWER KEYS: wes.mills%1-124-2342-4@alt.bighub.org For sending from Fidonet to the Internet: Use their regular e-mail address, but, for the node number, put 1:124/2342.999 OR>>>For the benefit of those used to the other method: Address the message to UUCP @ 1:124/2342.999 and put, on the very first blank like of the message: TO: followed by the Internet address. Press <ENTER> or <RETURN> three times and type your message. 3) Top 10 ways to get banned 10) Subscribing to any mailing lists. 9) Trading any files (any encoding method). 8) Assuming mail is private and treating it that way. 7) Harassing users via this gateway. 6) Attempting to overload our pretty overloaded system. 5) Moving massive amounts of unnecessary mail. 4) Attempting to mis-direct other people's mail. 3) Forging messages. 2) Distributing illegal material. AND, THE #1 WAY TO GET BANNED: 1) ANNOYING THE POSTMASTERS. 4) Contact Information postmaster%1-124-2342-4@alt.bighub.org postmaster @ 1:124/2342.4 Postal mail: FidoNet<->Internet Gateway at alt.bighub.org CompuShare Systems P.O. Box 294621 Lewisville, TX 75029-4621 FidoNews 13-14 Page: 7 01 Apr 1996 5) Ways to bypass these rules I'd like everyone to know that none of these rules are hard and static. Exceptions can be granted to everyone of them, assuming the request is reasonable. If you feel you have a need to do something not permitted by these rules, and can present that argument reasonably (i.e. not "because you feel like it"), please contact me and we'll work something out. postmaster@alt.bighub.org 6) SPECIAL INFORMATION ABOUT THIS GATEWAY For this month's posting, I have something new to report: Because of our "wonderful" telephone company, the gate won't have ISDN access for about the next 6 months or so. This is reportedly due to the fact that Texas Instruments is taking up all the ISDN switches, and GTE isn't going to install any more until the ESS system is upgraded. (darnit) Also, thanks to the users who have obeyed the rules. Anyone notice that this is section 6 this time? Be sure to read section 5. And, finally, a few clarifications: The exchanging of files restriction is in place for one reason, and one reason O_N_L_Y: When Netscape 1.2 came out, I still had the ftpmail addresses enabled. 47 users requested the 2MB file, via MY GATEWAY, and my 14.4k connection. Since the messages are split into 500 lines each to make it easier on FidoNet routing, that resulted in some 1200 messages. That's a lot of hard disk space, folks, and I cannot support that amount of traffic at one time. I'm upgrading my hard disk to a 2GB disk, so the restriction may be lifted soon. Wes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Backbone Echo Changes [Jan-Feb] by Lisa Gronke, 1:105/61 lisa@psg.com Summary of backbone & quasi-backbone echo changes during Jan & Feb Brought to you courtesy of (unix) diff. diff (backbone.na + backbone.no) 31-Dec-95 ditto 03-Mar-96 [edited] Added to the backbone --------------------- > 4X4 4X4 ECHO > BBSDOORS Door Games relating to all BBS FidoNews 13-14 Page: 8 01 Apr 1996 > BH90210 Beverly Hills 90210 > CALLSIGN Amateur Radio License Callsign Server Echo > CELLULAR_II Cellular Telephones & Related Issues > CHAMELEON Exotic Animals/Pets Chatter Conference > CHURCH&STATE Separation of Church & State > ER Discussion concerning tv show > GOLDED.BETA Sysop msgbase reader for many BBS, Mailers, etc. > LYRICS Posting and Discussion of Popular Song Lyrics > MACOS Macintosh OS discussions, speculation, and help > MAX_UTIL Maximus 3rd Party Utilities Echo > MSGED_ECHO MSGED Support/Discussion/Solutions/etc > NEEDLES_THREADS Sharing of sewing knowledge. > PETADOPT Pet Adoption and Supply Echo > PET_CHAT (low traffic since 3/1/96) > SAILOR_MOON Sailor Moon Discussion Echo > SET Setian Discussions > SHARING FidoNet World Class, Global Communication > SHOTGUN_BBS SHOTGUN PRO BBS SUPPORT ECHO > TCPIP TCP/IP Protocol Suite Discussions > TEEN&AIDS Aids Chat For Teens Affected/Infected By AIDS/HIV > TRI_SYSOP TriBBS Sysop Forum > WILDCAT4 Discussion of Wildcat up to version 4 by WCSysops Removed from the backbone or quasi-backbone ------------------------------------------- < AMIGA_DESKTOP (not in EchoList since 10/1/95) < AMIGA_VIDEO (not in EchoList since 12/1/95) < BOCA_MODEMS (not in EchoList since 11/1/95) < DIRTY_DOZEN (not in EchoList since 11/1/95) < ECHODOR (low traffic since 10/1/95) < ECONET Ecology Network < EC_DEV (low traffic since 11/1/95) < FALCON_CBCS (low traffic since 10/1/95) < FALKEN (not in EchoList since 9/1/95) < GO_PROD_SUP Green/Ortiz Product Support Echo < HOLY_BIBLE_II (not in EchoList since 10/1/95) < LATEST_VERSIONS (low traffic since 10/1/95) < MODS (low traffic since 12/1/95) < MUSICIAN (not in EchoList since 9/1/95) < NIGHT_SHIFT_ART-BELL Art Bell Radio Talk Show Discussion < NIGHT_SHIFT_UFO Discussion of UFOs, Abductions etc. < PCTOOLS (not in EchoList since 11/1/95) < RUSH_FAN (not in EchoList since 10/1/95) < STS (low traffic since 12/1/95) < SYSOP_ISSUES (not in EchoList since 11/1/95) < TAG_TALK (not in EchoList since 11/1/95) < TRIBBS_SUPPORT TriBBS Support - The Official Conference < UWSA United We Stand, America < WINDOWS.PROG (not in EchoList since 10/1/95) o There are 791 echos in backbone.na [03-Mar-95] (down 10) o There are 54 echos in backbone.no [03-Mar-95] (up 10) o for a total of 845 backbone & quasi-backbone echos (unchanged) FidoNews 13-14 Page: 9 01 Apr 1996 That Gateway Thingie? Michael White 1:124/2783 michael.white@puffs_revenge.tmb.org Hey, ho, welcome and all that jaZz :) Thought I would pop in and have a word or two and both entertain myself and enlighten a few peeps whilst I was at it! I've read the last few or four copies of fido_enlightenment_(in)digest(ion) over here and thought I would throw in my invaluable <hush> comments since I've been up for thirty hours and have nothing better to do at five in the afternoon. I've come to realize that you guys created this sucker for my sole entertainment when nothing inTeReStinG is going on in DFW or DFW_SALE (Hi Bill!!!;) and thought I'd voice my thanks. <gee, what a pompus...Ahem..> Anyways, to the few points: >bighub.org >C I A (1:2623/71) >Greetings Wes! > >I just wanted to write and speak my view of your altruistic gateway >service, as stated in this weeks fidonews: > >By learning from the mistakes and mishaps of the former default >gateway, we have put in this set of rules: > >1) DO NOT, FOR ANY REASON, AT ANY TIME ATTEMPT TO BYPASS THE >BANNED ADDRESSES ON THIS GATEWAY. ...hrm.. didn't know there were any banned addresses on the gateway! > >2) Subscribing to any mailing lists is prohibited. ...gee, I do! ...have been for quite a while over here actually, funny, Gary even reminded me to cancel and resubscribe when he changed servers.. hmm.. now while I could understand him getting upset for BIG and Numerous lists that bogged the system down I don't recall this rule.. >3) Exchanging of files is prohibited. Hrm, don't recall that one either.. >4) No mail is private. Now that's just plain SILLY, my mail is as public or private as I care to make it. Gary doesn't even SEE the Inet mail coming and going unless he is doing maint. and I don't know why I couldn't encrypt it anyways. <sigh> >These are the same rules that caused Burt Juda such strife and >discontent.. Except, I do not think he went as far as to eschew the >protection afforded by ECPA in regards to private mail.. I infer >from your prohibition that PGP mail will be auto-deleted, also? FidoNews 13-14 Page: 10 01 Apr 1996 ...deleting stuff? phtbff! >As I told Burt in the Snews a few weeks ago, these rules are anal >and hamper communication... ...there you go again, What Rules? I don't Recall ANY... >I admire your effort in offering the gateway, but, what use is it? >You don't even grant respect for private mail.. ...covered above :> >Since you will not allow files or mailing lists, its just as >useless as Juda's gate was, except for msgs that could easily be >sent as echomail or netmail.. ..also covered above :) >As for not circumventing your little netmgr twit filter to get >around 'banned' sites, well, unless you intend to pursue legal >action (and can find the perpetrator) you're just blowing smoke.. >It's trivial to get around those twit filters from the Internet, >you are aware of that? ...there are NO twit filters or banned sites :) >Sigh... > >Why is it necessary to forbid mailing lists, when your downlinks >will be the ones paying LD to pick them up? Why is it necessary to >violate the ECPA, and throw away its protections, by claiming to >disallow private mail? Why is it necessary to have 'twit filters' >to keep people YOU don't like from using your supposedly open >gateway? ...now, ahem... did I mention that there IS NO bighub.org ?? Well ok, there is a bighub.org, but it certainly isn't linked to 2342. or 2342.99 or .999 so I have no idea how your incoming mail is going to get to. ...yep, that's right. Seems Mr. Wes decided to come in here, blab for a while, post his own Rules <rolling eyes> and create his OWN Gate without bothering to ask Gary first if he could use his system. <see, and you thought *I* was uppety;> Here's what happened: <<<IN SURROUND SOUND ORGASM!!>>> {where available} ...so I'm sitting here at the house reading this sucker and see Gary's node number, but the sucker has a .999 attached to the end of it. 'Hrm, that's strange, must be a typo, should be .99 to send the imail out.' Then I read a bit further and start to get ticked, I mean first this rules crap, then to top it off nobody told the co-sysop about this bighub thingie?? Next day I go to work, walk in and Gary is busy doing his FidoNews 13-14 Page: 11 01 Apr 1996 work stuff, I walk up, 'Gary, whats up with the I-Net Gateway?' 'What do you mean what's up?' ' I mean what's up with this bighub.org and these stupid rules??' <his eyes get Really Wide> <sheesh, that was priceless;> 'What do you mean??' says he. 'You know, that crap in the Fido News, whats up with all those rules and stuff and why is Wes posting .999 instead of .99 and why is HE posting this stuff instead of you? You've read it, haven't you?' <his eyes furrow> 'No, but I will in the morning.' Needless to say he wasn't pleased, heh. Doesn't make sense why Wes would want to try and set something up that's allready there.. hmm... <well, setting aside the fact that he talked to everyone about it except the person who everything would be going through;> BUT in case you were wondering about the mail you might have been sending? ...weel, if you've been sending it to .999 it has been going out, but return mail has prolly been bounced due to the fact that nobody KNEW about it coming in. Anyways I discussed things with Gary and here's what he said: >Ok the return address will be user.name@zone-net-node- >point.tmb.org. All mail send to 1:124/2342.99 or >1:124/2342.999 will be sent out. All incoming mail will be >routed unless other arrangements are made. (you don't have to put 0 in if your not a point) If your local then your incoming mail will most likely go straight to you, if your LD it will be routed netmail. <the phone bills are allready outrageous> Oh and read 'Social Constipation', ROFLMAO :) ...and since I'm here: (Death of Fido??) Seems that everyone and their sister is commenting on the 'Death' and all that jazz, I've read a lot of different opinions but concluded that *I* <halo and appropriate music;> have the real answer, heh. You see Fido is being forgotten. Period. No really, go down to your local computer store or whatever and start asking people if they have a modem and where they call with it. More times than not your going to here something like Compuserve, America Online, or one of the many NeW I-Net servers that are popping up out of the woodwork. See, most people have never even HEARD of a BBS. Really. ...and if they have it's usually something bad. Fido? They never got that far. With all these other services out there the local BBS never had a chance due to bad press for the BBS, massive advertising for the Big Guys and so forth. The ONLY newbies are the ones we bring in Ourselves. Spread the WorD. (yes, I realize this was just covered, but since (since I had allready typed it before I got the newNews...:) MiChAeL@ FidoNews 13-14 Page: 12 01 Apr 1996 Yet more suggestions to enhance Fido By Louie Gonsalves 1:3604/43 louie.gonsalves@phosphor.datasync.com Hi there. I got another suggestion to enhance Fidonet (from the user's perspective)... these may seem a bit straining on the sysop's side, though... but sometimes sacrifices must be made to benefit the whole, not the few. Here goes: 1. Several othernets have a mandatory general chat echo that all systems must carry. In Fido, it could be INTERUSER. A mandatory chat echo would give users a "default" echo to start Fido with. I've seen users get flustered with posting off-topic messages in all sorts of echoes. I usually try to educate newbies on Fido etiquette, but sometimes... 2. Routed netmail for all nodes, regardless of Zone. I know this topic has been beat to death in the past, but it's a feature that would greatly enhance service to users. Once routed netmail has been established for all nodes, then perhaps sysops will start offering read/write access to users. And if the users are happy, the sysops are happy... and if sysops are happy, then Fido, as a whole, is happy. That's all for this issue... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Fidonews Information ======================================================================== ------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ---------------- Editor: Donald Tees Editors Emeritii: Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar Tom Jennings, Sylvia Maxwell "FidoNews" BBS FidoNet 1:1/23 BBS +1-519-570-4176, 300/1200/2400/14400/V.32bis/HST(DS) more addresses: Don -- 1:221/192, don@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Postal Service mailing address) FidoNews 154 Victoria St. S. Kitchener, Ontario Canada N2H 2b5 FidoNews 13-14 Page: 13 01 Apr 1996 voice: (519) 570-4899 Fidonews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. It is a compilation of individual articles contributed by their authors or their authorized agents. The contribution of articles to this compilation does not diminish the rights of the authors. Opinions expressed in these articles are those of the authors and not necessarily those of FidoNews. Authors retain copyright on individual works; otherwise FidoNews is Copyright 1996 Donald Tees. All rights reserved. Duplication and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes only. For use in other circumstances, please contact the original authors, or the eds. OBTAINING COPIES: The most recent issue of FidoNews in electronic form may be obtained from the FidoNews BBS via manual download or Wazoo FileRequest, or from various sites in the FidoNet and Internet. PRINTED COPIES may be obtained by sending SASE to the above paper-mail address. INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via FTP from ftp.fidonet.org, in directory ~ftp/pub/fidonet/fidonews. Anyone interested in getting a copy of the INTERNET GATEWAY FAQ may freq GISFAQ.ZIP from 1:133/411.0, or send an internet message to fidofaq@gisatl.fidonet.org. No message or text or subject is necessary. The address is a keyword that will trigger the automated response. People wishing to send inquiries directly to David Deitch should now mail to fidonet@gisatl.fidonet.org rather than the previously listed address. SUBMISSIONS: You are encouraged to submit articles for publication in FidoNews. Article submission requirements are contained in the file ARTSPEC.DOC, available from the FidoNews BBS, or Wazoo filerequestable from 1:1/23 as file "ARTSPEC.DOC". Please read it. "Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered trademarks of Tom Jennings, and are used with permission. ' ' disgreement is actually necessary, or we'd all have to get in fights or semethin to amuse ourselves,, and create the requisite chaos." -Tom Jennings -- END ------------------------------------------------------------------- FidoNews 13-14 Page: 14 01 Apr 1996